I'm not exactly jumping for joy over the suggestions here simply because I don't seriously believe PL would just dump the current rental empire model for the sake of the health of Eve.

Where were these radical ideas after the moon goo nerf? Where were these ideas after the Halloween War? I understand you are all so terribly bored you drop Supers on cruisers but honestly? I doubt you could convince people to give up easy income.

Rental income is the easiest thing in existence. Basically CFC/Nc./PL have become landlords nothing more. And due to botlord agreements for both sides to abstain from hurting each others rental space these ideas make even less sense.

Can you seriously convince these people to unclutch their pearls long enough to see there's more to Eve than a blinking walllet? I doubt it.

And what of PL's super cap force? There's just too many unanswered questions and even though the ideas are radical and refreshing, I doubt they will ever come to fruition.

CCP depends upon these once a year proxy wars to advertise 2000 man space battles to draw more people in. What these people don't understand is the 10% tidi, the billions of isk needed to field huge behemoths let alone the years to train such ships too.

So it's a catch 22. You either revert Eve back to an even more niche game and lose half the subscribers or you let the coalitions become so bloated and fat that the line members eventually bleed off and you lose those people anyway.

These are fresh ideas but hardly practical and certainly laughable when leaders of entities like yours scoff at anything that would hurt their easy income.

I'm not exactly jumping for joy over the suggestions here simply because I don't seriously believe PL would just dump the current rental empire model for the sake of the health of Eve.

Where were these radical ideas after the moon goo nerf? Where were these ideas after the Halloween War? I understand you are all so terribly bored you drop Supers on cruisers but honestly? I doubt you could convince people to give up easy income.

Rental income is the easiest thing in existence. Basically CFC/Nc./PL have become landlords nothing more. And due to botlord agreements for both sides to abstain from hurting each others rental space these ideas make even less sense.

Can you seriously convince these people to unclutch their pearls long enough to see there's more to Eve than a blinking walllet? I doubt it.

And what of PL's super cap force? There's just too many unanswered questions and even though the ideas are radical and refreshing, I doubt they will ever come to fruition.

CCP depends upon these once a year proxy wars to advertise 2000 man space battles to draw more people in. What these people don't understand is the 10% tidi, the billions of isk needed to field huge behemoths let alone the years to train such ships too.

So it's a catch 22. You either revert Eve back to an even more niche game and lose half the subscribers or you let the coalitions become so bloated and fat that the line members eventually bleed off and you lose those people anyway.

These are fresh ideas but hardly practical and certainly laughable when leaders of entities like yours scoff at anything that would hurt their easy income.

I understand the rental empire model would be scrapped. My only qualm is how in the hell are you going to convince people who are used to easy isk and pretty much owning vast swathes of sov to give it up?

I'm actually pretty open to anything that breaks up the monotony null sec has mired itself in including Manfreds ideas. I remember the Great War, BoB, conflicts of a regional nature Manfred spoke of.

I even remember the little headlines you'd get as you log in declaring a Titan was destroyed. You know back when Titans were big news.

There's another glaring question as well in regards to force projection. What happens to these dozens of now unusable Supers? Because pretty much a capital becomes a lumbering giant able to use gates but like the battleship fleets of old cumbersome.

Again great brainstorming but in order for these ideas to work they need tweaking and for CCP to get off their asses and realize the very game they created is too small for the current player base and power projection mechanics.

I'm not exactly jumping for joy over the suggestions here simply because I don't seriously believe PL would just dump the current rental empire model for the sake of the health of Eve.

Where were these radical ideas after the moon goo nerf? Where were these ideas after the Halloween War? I understand you are all so terribly bored you drop Supers on cruisers but honestly? I doubt you could convince people to give up easy income.

Rental income is the easiest thing in existence. Basically CFC/Nc./PL have become landlords nothing more. And due to botlord agreements for both sides to abstain from hurting each others rental space these ideas make even less sense.

Can you seriously convince these people to unclutch their pearls long enough to see there's more to Eve than a blinking walllet? I doubt it.

And what of PL's super cap force? There's just too many unanswered questions and even though the ideas are radical and refreshing, I doubt they will ever come to fruition.

CCP depends upon these once a year proxy wars to advertise 2000 man space battles to draw more people in. What these people don't understand is the 10% tidi, the billions of isk needed to field huge behemoths let alone the years to train such ships too.

So it's a catch 22. You either revert Eve back to an even more niche game and lose half the subscribers or you let the coalitions become so bloated and fat that the line members eventually bleed off and you lose those people anyway.

These are fresh ideas but hardly practical and certainly laughable when leaders of entities like yours scoff at anything that would hurt their easy income.

My analogy of Supers being Eve's ICBM was correct then. They seem to be more of a deterrent than anything else. If you could get seriously backing in PL for Manfreds ideas there would be some weight to it. Not that Manfred himself isn't weight enough behind them.

You got my support on this. Gate camping shipping lanes? Holy **** it's almost like Piracy would be profitable again!

Ironically the highest posts objecting to Manfreds ideas are members of the CFC. Which really should come at no surprise. TEST may have died but for all their blathering at least they broke away and did things away from the HBC.
...
When BL logged your members raged including Blarf. How dare we deny your 1000 people content? You don't get it do you? There's too many fish in this ever shrinking blue sea.

2. JF's need to be limited as well so that markets and industry is local as well.

I remember an entity from long ago called M0o who camped a vital trade route system called Mara, effectively forcing CCP themselves to step in and they in turn also died. Thus Concord was created!

To Mynna silly quote limiting.



Well as for the "about it" portion killing off local low sec Pirates to those of us it was our bread and butter. But enough of that. Jump Drive logistics in general need to be reworked not just the JF so we can agree on that.

Also am I the only one who remembers M0o? I'm waxing nostalgic but think of the explosions and the prey again if Pirates and other merc groups tried to prey upon Null logistical protection fleets.

Ah it almost sounds too good to be true...

Bah I cocked up and redited the post. I thought originally that CCP tried to fight them several times before and had lost. Actually it's quite funny reading about them running away or being sent into other systems to break up the gatecamp.

Apologies on my Oklahoma level of ignorance. Sometimes my cousins just look that good : P